Lumpy dough. I don't know what went wrong

[Shirley]

I tried making buns today and this is the recipe I used (which I found on youtube)

270g all purpose flour
30g sugar
3g salt
6g yeast
165g warm milk
45g butter (added after kneading a bit)

The dough comes out tough, lumpy and hard to knead. (I kneaded for abt 15min though) I also used a new brand of flour, so I'm wondering it might be the case?

After baking at 180 degrees for 16min, it came out doughy and dense.
Has anyone made this kind of mistake? Does anyone know what might have gone wrong?

Any advice is appreciated

 

[Norcalbaker59]

Well anyone can put up a video, doesn’t mean they know the first thing about baking. Did you knead the dough with flour on the work surface? If so that was part of the problem. Baking is based on the ratios of ingredients against the flour. If you add flour when kneading, you throw the ratios off. This recipe already has a low hydration at 61%.


Another thing is ingredients vary by country. Flour in the UK is very different from flour in Canada. Canadian, American, and Australian flours are all much higher in protein than UK flour. UK all purpose flour is similar to our pastry flour. So to make bread, if you are in the UK, you need to use recipes from the UK, OR you need to know the differences in the ingredients and make the changes. So if you are UK based, and the youtuber was from the US or Canada, then you would need to use strong flour, not all purpose flour.


If you are in the UK look up Bake With Jack for basic lessons on bread. He’s based in the UK. Better—he knows how to bake bread.


How to knead correctly; how to tell when dough is ready to bake; how to shape perfect bread rolls

Bread Tip 5 - Why do we knead bread dough? — Bake with Jack

Spending some time kneading your dough is SO important, and here's why

www.bakewithjack.co.uk

Bread Tip 3 - When is my bread ready to bake? — Bake with Jack

www.bakewithjack.co.uk

Bread Tip 51 - How to shape up perfect bread rolls — Bake with Jack

Shaping up rolls isn't as simple as just rolling them up like playdough, there is a little more to itthan that. Heres how to get them nice and round so that they prove up beautifully.

www.bakewithjack.co.uk

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[Shirley]

Well anyone can put up a video, doesn’t mean they know the first thing about baking. Did you knead the dough with flour on the work surface? If so that was part of the problem. Baking is based on the ratios of ingredients against the flour. If you add flour when kneading, you throw the ratios off. This recipe already has a low hydration at 61%.


Another thing is ingredients vary by country. Flour in the UK is very different from flour in Canada. Canadian, American, and Australian flours are all much higher in protein than UK flour. UK all purpose flour is similar to our pastry flour. So to make bread, if you are in the UK, you need to use recipes from the UK, OR you need to know the differences in the ingredients and make the changes. So if you are UK based, and the youtuber was from the US or Canada, then you would need to use strong flour, not all purpose flour.


If you are in the UK look up Bake With Jack for basic lessons on bread. He’s based in the UK. Better—he knows how to bake bread.


How to knead correctly; how to tell when dough is ready to bake; how to shape perfect bread rolls

Bread Tip 5 - Why do we knead bread dough? — Bake with Jack

Spending some time kneading your dough is SO important, and here's why

www.bakewithjack.co.uk

Bread Tip 3 - When is my bread ready to bake? — Bake with Jack

www.bakewithjack.co.uk

Bread Tip 51 - How to shape up perfect bread rolls — Bake with Jack

Shaping up rolls isn't as simple as just rolling them up like playdough, there is a little more to itthan that. Heres how to get them nice and round so that they prove up beautifully.

www.bakewithjack.co.uk

=======

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Thank you so much for your quick reply. I just checked the website you linked. That was very very helpful.

No, I didn't use extra flour than the recipe suggested. According to what you said, I assume I need to increase my liquid and the new flour seems to absorb more liquid?? (is there such thing? )

Unfortunately, I live in neither US nor UK. I'm from southeast Asian country. So, I don't know which country uses flour similar to mine.

 

[retired baker]

I tried making buns today and this is the recipe I used (which I found on youtube)

270g all purpose flour
30g sugar
3g salt
6g yeast
165g warm milk
45g butter (added after kneading a bit)

The dough comes out tough, lumpy and hard to knead. (I kneaded for abt 15min though) I also used a new brand of flour, so I'm wondering it might be the case?

After baking at 180 degrees for 16min, it came out doughy and dense.
Has anyone made this kind of mistake? Does anyone know what might have gone wrong?

Any advice is appreciated
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At first glance...you definately burned it by over working it.
Mixed it too long and burned the yeast up. Lets see...

I just made it from those measurements ,
Kitchen temp is 26C.
Warmed milk to 40C added sugar, then dry yeast, AP flour and salt on top of flour, then soft butter.
mixed it in the machine for 30 seconds on the hook then kneaded it on the table for 1 minute,
See pic 1. smooth as a baby's bum.
To knead just fold and press 12 times, don't rip the dough, don't rush, nice and easy does it.

From ingredients to finished dough on the table was 3 minutes.

Pic 2. I rested it under a plastic bag and its almost doubled in less than 20 minutes.
Pic 3. I divided it into 6 and made them up into burger buns.
Pic 4. Placed under plastic bags for 25 minutes.
crank the oven up, wait 10 minutes for oven to heat up and toss them in to bake.

180C for 16 minutes.
Pic 5. Done.
Beginning to end was approx 90 minutes,
its just a simple soft white bread with a blob of butter.
I took some pics.

 

[Shirley]

At first glance...you definately burned it by over working it.
Mixed it too long and burned the yeast up. Lets see...

I just made it from those measurements ,
Kitchen temp is 26C.
Warmed milk to 40C added sugar, then dry yeast, AP flour and salt on top of flour, then soft butter.
mixed it in the machine for 30 seconds on the hook then kneaded it on the table for 1 minute,
See pic 1. smooth as a baby's bum.
To knead just fold and press 12 times, don't rip the dough, don't rush, nice and easy does it.

From ingredients to finished dough on the table was 3 minutes.

Pic 2. I rested it under a plastic bag and its almost doubled in less than 20 minutes.
Pic 3. I divided it into 6 and made them up into burger buns.
Pic 4. Placed under plastic bags for 25 minutes.
crank the oven up, wait 10 minutes for oven to heat up and toss them in to bake.

180C for 16 minutes.
Pic 5. Done.
Beginning to end was approx 90 minutes,
its just a simple soft white bread with a blob of butter.
I took some pics.
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Oh thank you so much. I think I heated the milk and didn't wait enough time before adding to the yeast.

And did I overknead it? How do I know when to stop kneading? It didn't pass the windowpane test so, I kept kneading it for abt 15 min.

 

[retired baker]

Oh thank you so much. I think I heated the milk and didn't wait enough time before adding to the yeast.

And did I overknead it? How do I know when to stop kneading? It didn't pass the windowpane test so, I kept kneading it for abt 15 min.

I'm done.

 

[Shirley]

I'm done.

What do you mean you are done? This is my third time baking bread. I dont know a lot about baking and I am just asking for advice. Can't your just explain it nicely?

 

[Alex251]

Omg. I’m reading this two years later. But you’d think someone taking their time to make it and tell you thinks would be kind. Not cut out like that if caring to already take the time. Lol. Seems like a simple question.

 

[Misha]

The directions were very clear... and with picture illustrations!
It's been answered twice...all in the transcript. She overworked the dough - 15 minutes instead of 3.
It's easy to overdo dough so testing must be done often.

Short of flying to her home and making the bread herself, Baker was very kind!