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Generally bread dough is proofed twice to double in size each time. After the first proof the air is knocked out with some re-kneading.
I found out that over proofing can cause the dough to collapse

How would the dough turn-out if it was only proofed once?
 

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Generally bread dough is proofed twice to double in size each time. After the first proof the air is knocked out with some re-kneading.
I found out that over proofing can cause the dough to collapse

How would the dough turn-out if it was only proofed once?
croissants only get 1 proof, same with many viennoiserie.
For faster bread I like banh mi vietnamese baguette rolls.
 
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Thanks for the suggestion but I would like to know what would happen if you only proofed bread dough once?
 
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Generally bread dough is proofed twice to double in size each time. After the first proof the air is knocked out with some re-kneading.
I found out that over proofing can cause the dough to collapse

How would the dough turn-out if it was only proofed once?
You can absolutely make bread with a single rise if you’re using wild yeast, like a sourdough starter. Slow fermentation gives the wild yeast time to develop gas gradually, while the lactic and acetic acids in the starter contribute complex flavor. Three to four sets of stretch-and-folds during bulk fermentation help align the gluten and redistribute gas, so by the time you shape the dough, the structure for an open, even crumb is there without any additional dough handling.

Commercial yeast, on the other hand, ferments rapidly. The rapid rise necessitates kneading the dough to fully develop gluten before bulk fermentation. Because the rise is so rapid and commercial yeast lacks the flavor-enhancing acids found in sourdough, it never develops true flavor. Even after a second rise, you usually just get that “yeasty” smell and a bland, one-dimensional taste. Tge rapid CO₂ production also produces uneven and large bubbles. The punch down before shaping is necessary to bursts the large, irregular bubbles. At that point, the yeast population has consumed much of its food, so the smaller colony produced enough gas to re-inflate the dough with smaller, more uniform air pockets. If you skipped the second rise, the large irregular air bubbles formed in the first bulk would collapse during baking, and you would have a dense bread.
 
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Thank you for thgis breakdown which was very useful.
I currently use commercial yeast but I'm prepared to use wild yeast to get a better flavor. I did try using a sourdough starter but found it too time consuming to keep it going etc. So perhaps I'll compromise and use wild yeast in my preferment.
 
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Thank you for thgis breakdown which was very useful.
I currently use commercial yeast but I'm prepared to use wild yeast to get a better flavor. I did try using a sourdough starter but found it too time consuming to keep it going etc. So perhaps I'll compromise and use wild yeast in my preferment.
If you do not want to maintain a sourdough starter, look into making yeast water for baking. It requires less maintenance than sourdough starter.

But just an aside, I keep a small sourdough starter of just 55 grams. I have an incubator (Sourdough Home by Brod & Taylor) so I am able to keep the starter at a temperature of my choosing. I keep it at 65°F and feed once a day. But there are times when I don’t have time to feed, so I just reduce the temperature and let go a day or two without feedings. The small 55 g is plenty to maintain the starter, and build levains for my twice weekly bakes of bread and 6 - 8 English muffins.

This is my starter today. I haven’t fed it in nearly 48 hours and you can see it’s still close to peak. So refrigerating a sourdough starter to reduce the maintenance schedule is an option.
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Refrigerating sourdough starter doesn’t degrade it. It has plenty of leavening power.
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I made the box from some old MDF kitchen cupboard doors. It measures 450mm wide x 300mm high x 330mm deep.
I bought a small low wattage heater and connected a temperature indicator with a sensor probe. The whole lot runs off the mains power. The temp indicated is room temp because it is switched off. I usually proof at about 29ºC.
I can place a tray of 6-8 rolls or buns on the bottom and the same again on the higher rails or just a tin loaf on the bottom.
 

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I made the box from some old MDF kitchen cupboard doors. It measures 450mm wide x 300mm high x 330mm deep.
I bought a small low wattage heater and connected a temperature indicator with a sensor probe. The whole lot runs off the mains power. The temp indicated is room temp because it is switched off. I usually proof at about 29ºC.
I can place a tray of 6-8 rolls or buns on the bottom and the same again on the higher rails or just a tin loaf on the bottom.
Does the heater maintain a steady temperature +/- a degree or two or do you have to monitor it and adjust the temperature inside by opening the door or turning up the heater?

BTW, this looks a lot better than most DIY proofing boxes. I just may try to make one myself
 
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Yes the heater has its own thermostat and it is reasonably stable. The knob is on the end of the heater and I made it so it sticks out the side for easy adjusting. No need to open and close the door to regulate. I have to make sure I remember to to always close the door whilst kneading for the second proofing!
 

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Yes the heater has its own thermostat and it is reasonably stable. The knob is on the end of the heater and I made it so it sticks out the side for easy adjusting. No need to open and close the door to regulate. I have to make sure I remember to to always close the door whilst kneading for the second proofing!
You really did a good job on this proofing cabinet—I'm impressed.
 
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This is from one of your previous replies:
If you do not want to maintain a sourdough starter, look into making yeast water for baking. It requires less maintenance than sourdough starter.

Can you let me have details of how prepare yeast water please?
 
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This is from one of your previous replies:
If you do not want to maintain a sourdough starter, look into making yeast water for baking. It requires less maintenance than sourdough starter.

Can you let me have details of how prepare yeast water please?

This video by master baker Pablo Giet explains how to make an maintain yeast water and how to use it to make a levain. I took a few classes from him a few years ago including a fermented pasta dough class where we used yeast water and freshly milled flour.



Pablo is a legit master baker and instructor. These are Bavarian.style pretzels I made in one of the classes I took from him.
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