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Message: [QUOTE="Norcalbaker59, post: 46100, member: 2340"] Your dough is over fermented. This is the problem with not teaching Desired Dough Temperature (DDT). When your dough is too warm, the yeast develops too fast. It’s been plowed through all of its food source and dies off. There’s not enough live yeast for the second rise. And if you used instant yeast, you really can’t control it’s growth. Lowet the temperature of your water/liquid. Forget what the package says or the instructions tell you. [/QUOTE]